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1:29:44 That's perfectly possible if the transcript is there, even if the transcript isn't perfect (a few wrong matches here and there, maybe helping to discover and correct some transcript errors).
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1:27:36 That might just be not possible to enough satisfaction if done by the machine, I fear...
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1:26:14 Clips, that's not what I can do personally, but other forms of curation around the recordings, like listing them all, with dates and participants, linking the transcripts, organizing comments, later tagging the speakers and the topic for given segments (so they can be automatically clipped out), something like that. I just don't know what a great quote is.
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1:19:36 Who knows, maybe the waiting part is important to see who will be on the "core team", maybe it was to develop thinking and processes, maybe it was to find out that deciding on how to decide things isn't that important (as an result/insight), maybe a lot more "waiting" is indeed needed to really go through the exercise of exploring different decision mechanisms, maybe it's to discover complexity paralysis (overwhelming problems, no idea how to go about it, no way to get all people on the planet into agreement, what to do in such a situation? Solve small, local problems or make an attempt on real global scale, maybe either one or both or none futile?), waiting for something to emerge and give birth to it, with you deliberately holding back every initiative by a single individual until people collectively don't want to wait any longer so they all agree to the same goal because a compromise is better to them than more waiting or any of the individual proposals, so you softly "force"/lead them to consensus? Engelbart certainly has a way to get things going, but maybe even he didn't to it right, because it didn't really proceed to the urgent, complex world problems he really wanted to tackle. Can we do better than his achievements, seen relatively?
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1:19:15 Demand, maybe the people don't know yet what they really need/want, it's like with the old phrase about cars: people will ask for a faster horse. Still, big, urgent complex world problems will need some action or change, and be it stopping some of the activities we're engaged right now or changing our way to think about them, but the alternative is to continue as we do now (also an action), so how do we pick the right (or, let's say, the better) action?
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1:13:44 Do you want to become another Doug (Engelbart)? ;-) Wanna-be or actual disciple? For the resistance, it's pretty much part of the job to be able and develop the skills to handle it, I wouldn't discard it too easily that this won't come. On the other hand, there's certainly the need for designers, project managers, users, domain experts in the co-evolving process, because how else would the engineers learn what they're building for? It can turn out to be deeply, irreversibly frustrating looking back on a failed life's work, but what's the alternative? Not building the great demo, not having networked computing, not having personal computing with graphics on a screen? Not having given the world one of the few, if not only ideas how to maybe approach complex, urgent world problems? It might really just be basic training with the current GCC stage, because actual global challenges work, boy, do you know the work of an activist (not the pseudo ones who do it as their hippie vacation to feel good)? Might end up publicly ridiculed or in prison, not understood by their family and peers, but they do it anyway even if they know exactly that they will fail and how. Who knows if the global challenges solving ever needs to get to that stage, but as a participant of the Doug@50 made me aware of a Kennedy speech, "not because they are easy, but because they are hard", or the 1492 "I did it, you didn't". Retrospectively, sure, we only hear from the successes and miss to see the many, many failures on the way, but what alternatives are there, to simply not do it?
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1:12:50 How do you start to approach and understand a problem without actively, practically engaging it? I mean, sure, you don't want get stuck in activism, being too much invested into a particular solution that has many upsides (including past investment) but a few downsides you can't handle (like migration/reconfiguration), so you might want to stay in constant experimentation/prototyping/bootstrapping mode, willing to throw things away, also to have others run with the big time business execution of it, I don't know. I mean, sure, let's not go too fast to action, but how to study/design the problem and potential solutions otherwise? Theoretically, on paper, on the drawing board? Then you really need some industrial mechanisms to get a big project together, I guess. Furthermore, it's already Zoom, Facebook, recordings on YouTube, transcriptions in Google Docs, who knows, have 3 month-long periods for everybody trying the one and then the other idea, so the group gains good experience on what exists, how things feel, what they enable and what's missing?
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1:08:30 I would like to hear Doug's opinion on the libre-free software development model, or the decentral Internet structure and standardization processes, because they're not hierarchical, top-down models, and sure, they have leaders and "departments" and produce "goods" and have conventions and members and roles and all of that, but it's open to everyone to fork off his own version and do something else, and what is reconfigures itself over time. Also true that people reflect voluntarily in their organization of such efforts what they know from the work place because they don't know much else, but, I mean, there's the "Cathedral and the Bazaar" book by Eric Raymond, so while it's not necessarily the utopian vision yet, it's also not entirely entangled into the industrial frame, because frankly, no "industry" can control it or form around it other than a self-selecting, transparent, open, transmissible "industry" being the community. Still, participants need to get the job done or contribute to it, otherwise they're out and can't easily get access to, if they don't help or work on the project, that's still the point with producing results and having goals or a mission. Is it the same or different, do you think in specific ways about "industrial" as there's one guy having the capital to own the factory, to stick in employees as commodity to produce a product to sell it for keeping the profit for himself, the work being monotonous and standardized so employees can be easily replaced, avoiding any diversity or individualism or objection, in order to optimize the hell out of the processes, "industrial" pretty much in the sense of industrial mass production? That's probably not what we're doing in digital, copying (producing another instance) doesn't cost anything any more.
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1:05:59 Yeah, some people like me have some unused, still continuously paid webspace laying around, but then, I wouldn't want to care and maintain that much, so it might make a lot of sense to go with offers that do some more hand-holding etc. etc.
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1:04:42 And then if somebody else disagrees or comes along with another, maybe better suggestion, just adjust. If it's better, if it can get action behind it, if it can get traction, if it is more reasonable, support it, in any case allow and invite it, make it easy and help with shifting and experimentation, and then the thing with the most merit wins automatically by support of the people who vote for it with their contribution, time, money, attention, etc. If somebody has an idea but there's no one carrying it out, well, it doesn't help much having it anyway, there are plenty of suggestions and ideas, but what's needed are things that work. That's how quite some big and small projects are done on the Internet, the computer/networking/Internet meritocracy model, which isn't ideal by the way, but that's what people can do if they otherwise don't agree or know or trust each other at all, on a global scale. Lorenz Sell's co-creation should be investigated as well, maybe it's even better than the Internet/meritocracy model.
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1:04:16 Yes, good domains are important, because they show that you're more serious and not cheaply on a gratis hoster and probably stuck there with additional or advanced software features, and control your own stuff etc. Just in case somebody should not be aware: as Joshua correctly pointed out, WordPress is libre-licensed software, so you can install it on your own server reachable under your own domain, or you could also have your domain point to the instance hosted on wordpress.com (but then I don't know if all URLs get replaced, I guess WordPress on wordpress.com might allow that with the pretty URL setting via Apache's mod_rewrite or something), but then that would be more administrative, technical work, and it's not really-really necessary, still, something to consider.
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56:35 The ad-hoc decision making processes wouldn't be so bad if the most open, most preserving option would always win, so in lack of knowing better ways, you would still end up with the one that grants to the most flexibility, that it can go places in the future with a path of migration or update, hopefully, or at least in a cheaper/better than the other options would have required.
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54:26 My strategy is to spread stuff EVERYWHERE. That's what preserved works from the antiquities, and if Vint Cerf claims that the digital age will be another dark age (in my mind if we don't get our act together with reducing dependencies and getting around artificial stupid restrictions like copyright), I tend to believe that. With the libre-free licensed approach, each of you should also put the content onto your shelves in paper-printed or 3D-matrix-code-plastic-printed form, on CD/DVD, flash drives, and three other media forms.
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53:50 Man, that's a tragedy even very directly affecting me right now, today. :-(
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44:39 It's either globalchallengescollaboration.wordpress.com for being most like an index and landing page or globalchallengescollaboration.org for supposedly one day housing public, official material by the participants.
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34:13 That's a little like Engelbart's "do you read my reports?" - "Do you know whom you send them to?" ;-)
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30:15 Those two things sometimes go together. You can't be bothered to also think about all the other things if your field is already of incredible complexity, or can't establish certainties, or not learned or unlearned common sense because of being harmful with your work, etc.
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27:56 That's against their Terms of Service. No fake accounts, only real people.
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23:26 Wait, what? The 9/11 thing has its roots in the first Iraq war for securing the cheap oil from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia...
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16:00 The Three/Four Amigos would be great, but that name is already taken ;-)
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14:30 Hmm, 2003 and later, might that have been the time the Internet became accessible to almost anyone in the developed world, so large-scale spamming became lucrative and anti-spam measures weren't developed yet?
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12:30 It's not the fault of technology or technologists, we can't have such a system because of socio-political, business and power reasons. You can't get that, the Facebooks and the Googles for example will do everything to prevent it.
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2:32 Doesn't help, people talk too much about the "learning" in ML and then forget about the "machine" part of it.
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1:51:26 There are ways to reduce the effect, by, for example, making all meeting recordings public or at least always accessible to everybody who hops in and out of the larger community, and whatever gets discussed in the core group without being on the record, is void anyway and can be easily ignored/overruled by those who are unaware, or the core group won't look very collaborative if doing their own internal stuff, so people won't feel heard. That said, I'm not on Zoom or Facebook, so I don't have a channel to communicate with equal voice, and I don't have any permissions to use any of the material to work on because there's no implicit agreement of co-ownership because of co-creating the recordings, so now there's a Basecamp action group I probably can't be invited to, don't know what that site does and how, and I also have to assume that the Sutra "action group" didn't happen to be the right one, it was maybe just talk there. Doesn't matter much really, I don't have time to waste it on "all rights reserved", "YouTube license" or otherwise restrictively licensed content anyway.